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The Hypocrisy of Embryonic Stem Cell Politics

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BY now most of you know that President Bush delivered his first veto in his 5 years in office. You re also probably aware that Congress failed in its attempt to override the veto by 51 votes.

What you probably don't know however is that many of the same lawmakers who pulled themselves up on the moral pedestal of embryonic stem cell research voted down another bill that would have furthered non-embryonic stem cell research.

In other words only one kind of stem cell research is good enough for 136 Democrats and 12 double crossing Republicans who voted yes to support embryonic stem cell research and no to defeat alternative non-embryonic stem cell research.

To put this into context, all stem cell research shows promise. However, none of that research has lead to a cure for anything. Further, the emphasis on embryonic stem cell research and the framing of that as the "only hope" for millions of Americans is an unabashed lie.

But that doesn't stop super hypocrites like Nancy Pelosi from speaking out of both sides of her mouth.

"In vetoing this legislation, the president would be saying 'no' to 72 percent of the American people. He would be saying 'no' to so many families across America who are hoping and praying this legislation becomes public policy. He would be saying 'no' to hope,'' said House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco at a press conference just before Bush announced his decision.

Pelosi voted to deny funding in the "Alternative Pluripotent Stem Cell Therapies Enhancement Act" on the same day she lobbied and voted for the "Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act".

The same goes for Republican Michael Castle. He is the Republican author of the Bill that President Bush vetoed. He is so convinced that embryonic stem cells have greater potential than adult stem cells that he voted to stifle alternative research. Not very scientific but it makes a great talking point.

Democrat Congresswoman Diana DeGette of Colorado was so outraged at the President Bush veto that she also voted against the alternative bill.

"I am outraged that President Bush is considering using his first veto on legislation that holds the key to helping millions of Americans suffering from diseases like Parkinson's and diabetes," she adds. "This research is far too important to be used as a political wedge."

So why did she use that very same wedge in voting down alternative research? If you are going to be outraged you may as well be consistent!

I'm not going to sit here and tell you that embryonic stem cells don't show promise. But it is quite disingenuous for anyone to elevate that promise above other stem cell research such as bone marrow, skin graft, human muscle and many other sources (too many to mention here).

Research in manipulating non-embryonic stem cells to act like embryonic stem cells is already advancing. Other researchers are searching for other sources of such early stage cells that doesn't include the destruction of human embryos.

Just last month the University of Edinburgh's Institute for Stem Cell Research published an article in the Journal Nature that reports a discovery in reprogramming adult stem cells back to their embryonic stem cell state. This is one of many along the same lines of similar research.

The hypocrisy of Embryonic Stem Cell Politics is designed to fool people into thinking that there is only one hope in the quest to cure disease and repair paralysis. It's a lie that has been conjured up by politicians whose sole quest is to gain power rather than help the human cause. People should get more involved and educate themselves if there are going to take such a stance.

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Andrew BentonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Great article, not a surprise to see dems talking like jackasses(no pun intended) to gain power. I for one, respect my presidents decision to take the moral high ground and protect life.

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Reply#1 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:09 AM EDT
{"commentId":213764,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

Wow. Well that's one way to interpret the bills I suppose. If you were to read the legislation, however, you'd note that the bill that the Democrats objected to effectively hamstrings the federal bureaucracy by preventing any actions on the part of the government to appropriate money for, approve, or initiate any form of research regarding embryonic stem cells.

In short - from my reading of the legislation - it sounds like the "hypocrites" and "double crossers" voted to keep options open.

Right now we don't know which line of research will produce better results. Given that literally hundreds of human embroys are tossed into the incinerators of fertility clinics every year, why not look into both options?

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Reply#2 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:28 AM EDT
{"commentId":213772,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

I keep wondering when opponents of embryonic stem cell research are going to address the issue of those embryos. I can't decide what they'll do. Will they outlaw fertility clinics? Will they mandate that the embroys be kept frozen forever?

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#2.1 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:31 AM EDT
{"commentId":213833,"authorDomain":"scooterdman"}
I can't decide what they'll do. Will they outlaw fertility clinics? Will they mandate that the embroys be kept frozen forever?

Shhh. This obvious logistical conundrum needn't distract us from the real issue at hand for the conservatives: convincing other people that they value life and liberals do not.

And I think it goes without saying that is far more humane to keep an embryo indefinitely frozen than to toss it in the garbage.

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#2.2 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:07 AM EDT
{"commentId":213876,"authorDomain":"webloggin"}
Wow. Well that's one way to interpret the bills I suppose. If you were to read the legislation, however, you'd note that the bill that the Democrats objected to effectively hamstrings the federal bureaucracy by preventing any actions on the part of the government to appropriate money for, approve, or initiate any form of research regarding embryonic stem cells.

Did you mean this specific part of that legislation?

(d) Rule of Construction- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect any policy, guideline, or regulation regarding embryonic stem cell research, human cloning by somatic cell nuclear transfer, or any other research not specifically authorized by this section.

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#2.3 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:35 AM EDT
{"commentId":213894,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

Nope - I didn't mean that part. Read the text legally and thoroughly.

In General- In accordance with section 492, the Secretary shall conduct and support basic and applied research to develop techniques for the isolation, derivation, production, or testing of stem cells that, like embryonic stem cells, are capable of producing all or almost all of the cell types of the developing body and may result in improved understanding of or treatments for diseases and other adverse health conditions, but are not derived from a human embryo.

That section orders the secretary to direct, fund, and support non-embroynic research.

Guidelines- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this section, the Secretary, after consultation with the Director, shall issue final guidelines to implement subsection (a), that-- `(2) prioritize research with the greatest potential for near-term clinical benefit

And that section orders the secretary and director to issues final guidelines to implement the above.

The section you quoted above refers specifically to existing legislation and policies that are already on the books from this administration that prevent federal funding of stem cell research. It does not mean that this bill doesn't address those issues; but rather means that the bill is dependent upon the previous language which prevents federally funded stem cell research.

In short, it empowers the Director and Secretary to fund, direct, and implement only the research that this administration finds politically acceptable. Moreover, it may be construed to restrict the direction of research not funded by federal monies if conducted by individuals under the direction of federal agencies.

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#2.4 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:45 AM EDT
{"commentId":213910,"authorDomain":"webloggin"}

You are construning it to restrict embryonic stem cell research but the bill doesn't prohibit further legislation to fund it. Thus your statement is misleading.

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#2.5 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:54 AM EDT
{"commentId":213994,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

A bill can't prohibit further legislation. That would imply that Congress has the authority to constrain it's own actions but lacks the authority to overrule itself - a logical paradox.

The bill in question, however, represents a codification by legislation of Bush's previous executive order on embryonic stem cell research. Indeed, the section you quoted is included to ensure that the legislation in question constrains the Director and Secretary's authority so as to make clear that the Congressional legislation reinforces the Presidential order.

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#2.6 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:40 AM EDT
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A bill can't prohibit further legislation. That would imply that Congress has the authority to constrain it's own actions but lacks the authority to overrule itself - a logical paradox.

Correct.

I guess I should state it another way:

You said:

If you were to read the legislation, however, you'd note that the bill that the Democrats objected to effectively hamstrings the federal bureaucracy by preventing any actions on the part of the government to appropriate money for, approve, or initiate any form of research regarding embryonic stem cells.

This is simply untrue. This bill is not a ban.

Your statement implies that the direction of funds to one program prohibits funding of another. This bill simply directs this specific funding to non embryonic forms of stem cell research. It does not hamstring embryonic stem cell research, rather it simply doesn't provide funds for it. This bill specifically is directed at other less controversial forms.

It does not prevent the government in any way from appropriating money for embryonic stem cell research. That would be a ban which isn't part of this specific legislation. It only prevents funds tied to this particular bill from being directed to embryonic stem cell research.

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#2.7 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:51 AM EDT
{"commentId":214115,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

My apologies, I missed a word when typing your second quoted section. It should read:

hamstrings the federal bureaucracy by preventing any actions on the part of the government bureaucracy to appropriate allocate money for, approve, or initiate any form of research regarding embryonic stem cells.

Of course the Congress could, if it wanted to, appropriate money for stem cell research. My use of appropriate in the above section is probably inappropriate too, so I've altered that as well.

The bill prevents the federal bureaucracy from researching embryonic lines however, as the bill directs the Secretary and Director to implement research in compliance with section A which itself specifically excludes research in embryonic lines.

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#2.8 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:44 PM EDT
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{"commentId":213879,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

Yesterday, I seeded an article on other forms of stem cell research being done since a veto on federal funding for additional lines of stem cell research was impending (and was later used that day). Many scientists agree that placental stem cells offer a hopeful alternative. Most other "adult" stem cells are widely regarded as being far too restrictive in their capabilities (an adult blood stem cell will never grow into a heart muscle stem cell, for example). Further tissue rejections issues are still quite likely in placental stem cells just as they are in other adult stem cells.

Either way, I believe that we should be leaving all options on the table. We never know that perhaps embryonic stem cells may be best used to cure one type of disease (say spinal disorders), placental stem cells another (such as cancer), and other adult stem cells even others medical problems (like damaged tissues). We should not consider all stem cells equal, though. There are very big differences between adult and embryonic stem cells and this seems to ignore that fact.

Editor: Also, are you sure you're using the term "double cross" correctly? I fail to see how Rep. Castle made and broke two deals. Sorry, it's just if you're going to use such accusatory language, I believe it should be clear.

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Reply#3 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:36 AM EDT
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Editor: Also, are you sure you're using the term "double cross" correctly? I fail to see how Rep. Castle made and broke two deals. Sorry, it's just if you're going to use such accusatory language, I believe it should be clear

.

I only included the republicans who voted for the one bill and opposed the other bill in the group of "double crossers". I did not include people like Frist who voted for both.

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#3.1 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:42 AM EDT
{"commentId":213896,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

Placental stem cells? Interesting. But that what would people use in their favorite placenta recipes?

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#3.2 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:45 AM EDT
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Either way, I believe that we should be leaving all options on the table.

All options of medical research are not necessarily morally responsible; at least to certain segments of society. For example, if that research included the amputation of limbs or something as such then we shouldn't lobby for that kind of legislation. Likewise we should not work to downplay the alternatives as you did in your article.

I could list many alternatives that have already shown promise; more so that embryonic stem cell research in many cases. Human trials in the U.S. are already underway in the areas of adult stem cells while I am not aware of any human trial ongoing with embryonic. Not that this should downplay the potential of the embryonic form; that is not my point. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the politics surrounding the debate.

It is not a form of hypocrisy to take a moral stand against embryonic stem cell research while advocating other forms. The opposite however is.

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Reply#4 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:51 AM EDT
{"commentId":213925,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

Hmmm..... Maybe the federal government should just get out of the research business entirely?

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#4.1 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":214010,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
I am not aware of any human trial ongoing with embryonic

I'm aware of an AML patient who receive a stem cell transplant as part of Class A Experimental Therapy from Embryonic Stem Cells. She's doing fine now.

I'd be happy to relate as much clinical detail on the case as I can, but the patient in question is a minor so I can't disclose her name or location. I'm also not a doctor, so my knowledge on the topic isn't encyclopedic. Suffice it to say that Embryonic Stem Cells have been used in highly experimental therapy before, but no broad based human trial has yet been instantiated.

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#4.2 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:48 AM EDT
{"commentId":214051,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}
Maybe the federal government should just get out of the research business entirely?

Brian: Not that this is going to satisfy your libertarian-ness at all, but please bear with me. Cutting edge research rarely pays off in the short term. If it was up to the market to decide, we'd be left with scientists who do research pro-bono and very little to show for it. I obviously can't say that we would have no advancement in science, but without the public investment, suffice it to say we'd have nowhere near the medical technology we have today (amount other things). I'm not keen on the way that corporations take advantage of the public's generosity and turn it around into patents that protect what we help to pay for (seems to me that the public should be getting some benefit from our investment). However, I'd rather have even that than the resulting stagnation of medical research that would occur should we stop investing research money.

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#4.3 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:05 PM EDT
{"commentId":214093,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

I didn't say all government. Just federal. There's lots of state funding for this issue going on now: http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/genetics/embfet.htm

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#4.4 - Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:34 PM EDT
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{"commentId":219715,"authorDomain":"shell"}

This was pretty perfect. However, it is known. You are witnessing politicians who will do anything for attention and power. It's simply a fact of life.

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