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Another NY Times Smear on the Military

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The NY Times, seemingly over its non-guilt at having damaged national security, continues along her tired and true path of smearing the military. You see the anti-war wonks at the NY Times never seem to find time to research heroic stories about soldiers who put their lives on the line protecting the innocent who were brutally suppressed under their former dictator Saddam Hussein. Nor do they report on any progress in Iraq without presenting those reports alongside a negative spin that is designed to invalidate any claim to such progress.

[Editorial soc] No, not the, ahem, how would you say it, what is the opposite of jingoist; the far left's characteristic portrayal of the right? Hmm, only traitor comes to mind.

I continue.

No, not the traitors at the New York Times. They are too busy digging up the liberal equivalent of dirt on military recruiting practices to be concerned with an objective portrayal of an enemy who would slit their throats as quickly and brutally as that of Daniel Pearl.

The Times staffers seem to spend an inordinate amount of time penning articles that are rife with allegations of atrocities that can be applied to the military with a sweeping brush and contrived moral equivalency anecdotes. This is the delineation between true journalists and journalist wannabes. In other words, journalists report the news and journalist wannabes use the news as a penumbral protective layer to surround an editorial bias that is presented as the real news.

It is this kind of wannabe journalist that allows himself to equate an accused rapist with Christians by mentioning not once but twice that Private Steven D. Green "immersed himself in a baptismal pool in the back of an Army chapel in Fort Benning, Ga., one of hundreds of young recruits who embraced religion as they faced certain violence."

Frankly I don't quite see what the baptism has to do with a story about a violent person who made his way into the military. Yet NY Times reporters Jim Dwyer and Robert F. Worth find a way to mention that baptism twice. But then I digress, this must be a figment of my imagination.

Side note, liberals fall all over themselves to put "rehabilitated" rapists and criminals back on the street as well as shield them from community notification laws. I wonder why this standard doesn't apply to the people who join the military to try and put themselves on the right path. Especially those whose biggest crime is a misdemeanor and spent time in a Texas jail on a (gasp) underage alcohol possession. Shame on the military for not calling the Times every time they recruit someone with a misdemeanor conviction on their record.

How could the military possibly recruit a person who was charged with posessing drug paraphernalia, charged as a minor in possession of tobacco and charged as a minor in possession of alcohol? They should have known better and sent him to Hollywood where he would have been a better fit as an aspiring druggie - kleptomaniac.

Perhaps the Times would like to release their background checks and let us know how many of their employees have been convicted of a misdemeanor. We wouldn't want people like that writing important stories about National Security.

A great example of journalistic fraud as typically found in the New York Times can be seen in last weeks hit piece that exposed sliding military recruiting standards as being responsible for an influx of Hate Groups and gangs in the military. Thus the Times would like you and all you military parents to know that your sons and daughters are gangbanging neo-Nazi racists who were too dumb or too poor to get a liberally acceptable job at some highfalutin bistro on Fifth Avenue.

The Kifner/NY Times article, Hate Groups Are Infiltrating the Military, Group Asserts, is the journalistically lazy recanting of a Southern Poverty Law Center "report" called "A Few Bad Men" that was released not-too-coincidentally on the same day as the Times smear job.

One obvious problem with the story is that the Southern Poverty Law Center itself has been surrounded by controversy as people from within the organization itself accused the group that "tracks racist and right-wing militia groups" of being racist themselves. Jump down to the controversy section of this Wikipedia entry as witness to what the NY Times Reporters consider to be objective sources.

Not surprisingly, the Southern Poverty Law Center has now turned its attention on protecting the innocent yet law breaking (my characterization) "undocumented immigrants".

Another obvious problem with the current NY Times/SLPC portrayal is that they blame the Iraq war as the reason for such a trend.

"The groups are being abetted, the report said, by pressure on recruiters, particularly for the Army, to meet quotas that are more difficult to reach because of the growing unpopularity of the war in Iraq."

Perhaps it is just me but didn't the Army exceed its recruiting goals for a 13 consecutive month? This doesn't include re-ups and all that idle stuff that is ignored by the MSM.

No matter, the NY Times source gives his own perspective on why he believes so many racists, gangbangers and neo-Nazi's gravitate to the U.S. military.

Mr. Barfield said Army recruiters struggled last year to meet goals. "They don't want to make a big deal again about neo-Nazis in the military," he said, "because then parents who are already worried about their kids signing up and dying in Iraq are going to be even more reluctant about their kids enlisting if they feel they'll be exposed to gangs and white supremacists."

Funny, even though Barfield strains himself to get out the liberal anti-Military message I didn't have too much trouble finding this 1995 Newsweek Weekly Journal article titled "LA street gangs infiltrate US army". At least the Newsweek reporter put a hint of objectivity in the report.

Newsweek believes "the US military is inevitably affected by all the problems of society at large - including the spread of gang-related crime and violence".

Which is the point after all. The military is made up of members of society just like Wall Street, the NY Times, the writers at the Daily Kos and everywhere else. A point that is conveniently lost on the NY Times because they are too busy publishing classified military defense secrets, attacking Christians and their religions, conjuring up white guilt and generally acting as un-American as one newspaper can be.

Related : House Democrats Team With Radical Leftists to Criticize Iraq War h/t Michelle Malkin

Captains Quarters Notes that the NY Times once again comes to bat for Hezbollah in NYT: Give Hezbollah What They Want

Blue Crab Boulevard has a slightly different take on the Times editorial although I believe that both BC and CQ agree in principle and come to the same conclusions.

The always excellent Flopping Aces has a great article titled The MSM Making It Up As They Go Along that fits well with the theme of this article although it applies to the MSM in general. It is a must read.

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{"commentId":205799,"authorDomain":"aamurphy"}

Your paranoid screeds about the NY Times and other media are hysterical and overreaching, which is typical of the far right. Armchair patriots don't like to hear the truth about the military's shortcomings, and believe me, there are many.

The Times' articles about the alleged atrocities in Iraq have been fine; they merely reflect the allegations being investigated by military authorities.

I am a combat veteran of Vietnam and find little objectionable about the MSM's treatment of our troops in Iraq. Indeed, the media tend to be too gullible and trusting of the Pentagon in covering military affairs.

More power to the Times and other media in telling the truth about this incredibly stupid war.

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Reply#1 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":205878,"authorDomain":"webloggin"}
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{"commentId":205925,"authorDomain":"webloggin"}

Congratulations on missing the point in your response to my article.

It's not that the Times publish articles about failures in Iraq. Rather it is the one sided focus that attempts to portray the military as racists and cold blodded killers when the military overwhelmingly performs with honor. You know the kind. For instance equating Haditha with the my Lai massacre. That goes beyond "merely reflecting the allegations" and steps into the world of editorializing; an obvious smear. Never mind the fact that the people accused of committing such crimes haven't even had a trial. But that is the left's approach to the military for you; guilty until proven innocent

Professing to be a combat veteran while accusing me of being an "armchair" patriot displays the obvious ideological bias from which you seem to want to paint me with. Good try but no dice. At least I went to the trouble of researching the issues and providing the research and supporting argument for the reader to decide.

RE: More power to the Times and other media in telling the truth about this incredibly stupid war.
I find it incredibly naïve for a person to hang so closely to the truth as reported in the MSM media; especially after the fake Dan Rather story, the false allegations of flushing the Quran down the toilet, the false allegations against Illiano Pantano, ……

But then again, I'm just paranoid.

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  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:06 PM EDT
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{"commentId":206122,"authorDomain":"aamurphy"}

The media don't try to portray the military as racists and cold-blooded killers. If anything, the media tend to suck up to the military. A few bad-apple troops do the damage when they murder children and women and treat other innocent civilians with contempt. And the My Lai comparison is an obvious one; to not make that connection would be strange.

Our country is facing a lot of serious problems right now, and media bias should be far down anyone's list. The people in the White House and most in Congress are corrupt and incompetent, and it's time to move beyond patriotic posturing to clean up our government.

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Reply#2 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":206192,"authorDomain":"webloggin"}

I wholeheartedly agree that a few bad-apple troops do undeniable and often irreversible damage to this country and the image of the military. This is of utmost concern to everyone and should not be taken lightly. Nobody is more appalled at such crimes, when proven to be true, than the troops themselves.

I disagree on your assessment that the connection between Haditha and My Lai was a natural one.

My Lai is anything but an obvious comparison except in the minds of those who want to equate Iraq with Vietnam IMHO. The comparisons are not even the same. The death toll in My Lai was between 300 and 400 people and the killings at My Lai did not occur in a firefight between the troops and the North Vietnamese troops; they happened in the vacuum of enemy forces. My Lai was reported to have been directly related to a commanding officer as having ordered the killings. All of these items differ from Haditha in number, manner and circumstance.

There are some who will say that Haditha was similar to My Lai in that the military was attempting to cover it up but the fact of the matter is that the military was already investigating the incident. There is no coverup here.

We do agree that there is a ton of corruption in the government. I am not of the belief that any of it happens on any one side of the aisle.

But we sadly will have to agree to disagree on the media. The major newspapers of the United States, Hollywood and Television news are heavily biased toward the left. The U.S. media is an international one that helps shape and influence world opinion. Thus when newspapers like the NY Times slant the news they do so at the peril of this nation.

It goes way beyond the NY Times. There is a direct attempt to influence the youth of this country and others via many of the same connected media outlets. MTV's rock the vote is one example (not the attempt to get the youth to register, the message).

Worse, there are examples such as Rolling Stone magazine that is exported to 13 countries. They have teamed up with the very biased Salon.com to have feature articles that almost exclusively present bias against the conservative right and especially against the Bush administration. Their political correspondent is the blatantly drug abusing anti-Christian and anti-American Matt Taibbi (again my opinion), who models himself after Hunter S. Thompson. More crap from the elitist left that is exported to the world community.

To me this is very damaging and does nothing to help the country because it is done with an intelectually dishonest approach. This is why I look at media bias in news reports as something of an evil as opposed to editorials where opinions belong.

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Reply#3 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:33 PM EDT
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Correction on my part. I meant to say that the death toll in my Lai was beetween 300 and 500 people; not 400 as above.

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Reply#4 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:03 PM EDT
{"commentId":206230,"authorDomain":"edwards"}

Webloggin Editor, my dear sir, you deserve a handshake, a slap on the back, and a cup of coffee (it's on me).

Well-researched, well-executed, well-spoken.

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Reply#5 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:07 PM EDT
{"commentId":206252,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Well, I think you gave him exactly what he can expect to get -- a pat on the back from people who already agree with him. I like to think that I'd call out this sort of obvious bias if I saw it on the left too -- but as Keld has to put up with being called out every time he writes something (probably deservedly so in a lot of cases) I figure I'll take a stab at it:

The NY Times, seemingly over its non-guilt at having damaged national security, continues along her tired and true path of smearing the military. You see the anti-war wonks at the NY Times never seem to find time to research heroic stories about soldiers who put their lives on the line protecting the innocent who were brutally suppressed under their former dictator Saddam Hussein. Nor do they report on any progress in Iraq without presenting those reports alongside a negative spin that is designed to invalidate any claim to such progress.

I can see right off the bat where this is going. It's a good idea to save your most obvious bias for later in the article -- lest you turn most of your readership off. How can I be expected to come around to his point of view if he rapes me with it in his first paragraph?

As such, I can't concur with the "well-executed" sentiment. Well research? Sure -- as he managed to find evidence to support his clearly biased point of view. Based on the vigor with which he presented his opinions I don't doubt for a second that he would have ignored any contrary evidence found during his research.

The thing is -- if you want people to believe (and/or trust) you -- you're better served to not come off so strongly right out the gate. As such, I took every single thing he said with a boulder of salt.

Essentially -- he's engaging in the exact same type of journalism that he damns the NY Times for engaging in.

Except that he makes up far more than the NY Times ever could in an effort to undermine any legitimacy he could ever hope to conjure up:

A point that is conveniently lost on the NY Times because they are too busy publishing classified military defense secrets, attacking Christians and their religions, conjuring up white guilt and generally acting as un-American as one newspaper can be.

All in all -- I've seen less biased work from Ann Coulter. Seriously Edward -- if you're going to pick and choose a conservative voice to support on Newsvine -- I highly suggest you pick any number of credible authors that won't damn their own cause through sensationalist discourse like this.

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#5.1 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":206301,"authorDomain":"edwards"}

Eh, but I like this sensationalist discourse! Makes me feel fuzzy inside...

;-)

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#5.2 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:04 PM EDT
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{"commentId":206307,"authorDomain":"webloggin"}

Edward, thank you for the compliment.

Essentially -- he's engaging in the exact same type of journalism that he damns the NY Times for engaging in.

Brian,

It would be much better for my argument if I could convince fence sitters or people who live on planet left. Convincing people of like mind stifles thinking and is one of the reasons the left has such a unified and broken message. Stray from the farm and you are an instant outcast such as I am; a person who once believed the liberal mantra after 12 years in the University system.

Let's remove your contention that people with opinion pieces should argue both sides of the argument. That is just silly. Opinion pieces are intended to lead people to ones point of view; otherwise why bother?

This is quite different than an editorially laced news report that is done under the auspices of objective journalism.

As far as me raping you with the first sentence, please. The title of the article is "Another NY Times Smear on the Military". Not much of a hidden agenda on my part so there is no need to feel violated by my Opinion.

Typical of the left you attack the messenger but offer up nothing to back that argument up. At the very least I presented material that is intended to support my thesis. You offer Ann Coulter, a perennial witch in the eyes of the left simply because she calls it like she sees it.

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Reply#6 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":206348,"authorDomain":"edwards"}

Eh, she's a witch in my eyes to her. I don't like her at all. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Brian, it would be nice to see some sort of response or linked article that refutes or debates Webloggin's points in the article.

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#6.1 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:51 PM EDT
{"commentId":206352,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

But why? He's presented his arguments in a way that makes it pretty clear what sort of response his opposition would receive.

I don't even for a split second believe that there is a counter-argument on earth that would convince WE that someone else might have a valid point.

This was posted almost 6 hours ago -- it (was -- maybe still is) in the featured writers section. This despite having only 3 votes and 11 comments. This leads me to believe that people have stopped to look at the car wreck and have moved on without a word. (The lack of commentary is likely for the same reason I'm not humoring him.)

Let's remove your contention that people with opinion pieces should argue both sides of the argument.

I didn't say that at all. I said that you might want to temper your rhetoric in an effort to welcome -some- type of dialogue.

People that write like this come and go on Newsvine. If you want some longevity -- I suggest writing something that might gain you more than four or five "chuckles" from people who like to see liberals all worked up.

It would be much better for my argument if I could convince fence sitters or people who live on planet left.

I know! That's my point exactly. I'm not sure how you think this piece is ever going to do anything other than be summarily dismissed.

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#6.2 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:59 PM EDT
{"commentId":206376,"authorDomain":"edwards"}

You certainly do have a valid point Brian in that the writing style does not encourage intellectual debate but more so the pointing fingers of loud-mouthed partisans. I think what he's saying is largely truthful, but you are quite justified in not wanting to respond. I would very much so like to see articles in respones to the points made in the article, but this thread may not be the best place for it.

Webloggin, I still stand by my words that it was well-spoken, well-researched, and well-executed. When I first joined Newsvine, though, I started off with some strongly worded and opinionated pieces. I incited flame wars and angry users because of it. I quickly learned to temper it down. Not to water it down, but just to be a bit more judicious and rational in my approach.

While I do agree with the basic premise of this article and am quite pleased to find another conservative round these parts, I think that if you're looking for something outside of conservative responses and want to inspire intellectual political debate, you might want to write in less of an flaming editorial style and more of an analytical and objective one.

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#6.3 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":206381,"authorDomain":"webloggin"}

Point well taken. A flame war is definitely not the best route to go.

Thanks for the advice; I am all for constructive criticism and civil debate.

Take care guys, time for Mai Tai Friday!!!

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#6.4 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:26 PM EDT
{"commentId":206519,"authorDomain":"jimdent"}
It would be much better for my argument if I could convince fence sitters or people who live on planet left.

Oh.. I think you accomplished that all right.... Those on the fence were blown over to the left side of the planet with stuff like...

No, not the, ahem, how would you say it, what is the opposite of jingoist; the far left's characteristic portrayal of the right? Hmm, only traitor comes to mind.

And those on planet left probably loved being lumped together with this zinger....

Side note, liberals fall all over themselves to put "rehabilitated" rapists and criminals back on the street as well as shield them from community notification laws.

And then you startle us with this revelation..

In other words, journalists report the news and journalist wannabes use the news as a penumbral protective layer to surround an editorial bias that is presented as the real news.

Hmmm... You mean kinda like your doin? Using a smattering of news articles to present your obvious bias?
If your objective is to sway the fence sitters, you need to realize that they sit on the fence because they are good at sniffing out the B. S. from both directions. They want honest questions and honest answers. Partisan drivel they have in spades.... But by all means, carry on. The left can use the help... :-D

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#6.5 - Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":206527,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
Point well taken.

Good -- I'm not interested in trying to drive you off -- just in trying to promote productive dialogue. If anything, I want -more- responsible conservative writers on Newsvine so I can stop hearing about how they're outnumbered.

I appreciate your willingness to accept criticism. Feel free to throw the same at me anytime.

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#6.6 - Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:08 AM EDT
{"commentId":206660,"authorDomain":"webloggin"}

Jim,

I included one item in the article that distracted away from the point. In retrospect I shouldn't have included liberals in with the discussion as the main focus is that of the NY Times.

[Editorial soc] No, not the, ahem, how would you say it, what is the opposite of jingoist; the far left's characteristic portrayal of the right? Hmm, only traitor comes to mind.

When I said the above quote I was equating the NY Times with the far left. I feel that the NY Times has made some terrible editorial judgments that did indeed harm the security of this country as discussed in the Congressional Kelly Panel last week. You can reference the statements by Stuart Levey who is the Undersecretary for the Treasury if you don't believe that the Swift Bank story harmed national security.

Side note, liberals fall all over themselves to put "rehabilitated" rapists and criminals back on the street as well as shield them from community notification laws. I wonder why this standard doesn't apply to the people who join the military to try and put themselves on the right path. Especially those whose biggest crime is a misdemeanor and spent time in a Texas jail on a (gasp) underage alcohol possession. Shame on the military for not calling the Times every time they recruit someone with a misdemeanor conviction on their record.

This quote by me was something in retrospect that could have been rewritten without lumping in liberals. I could have used ACLU or said "many".

I must emphasize that I am biased and I believe that editorial bias belongs in the editorial section and not the news section. This is my main beef. It is not to mean that I wouldn't disagree or rebut editorial articles in the Times or elsewhere; I would.

I believe that this single quote in my article distracts from the main points I was trying to make which are that the New York Times puts forth a strong anti-Military bias as well as a strong hate for the Bush administration. The latter is fine but I believe that such hate has pushed the discussion on one of the nation's elite newspapers beyond the realm o professional journalism and into the world of reportorializing the news.

For instance, there is no reason to include that Private Green was baptized. Mentioned not once but twice without much benefit unless the intent is as I stated; which is to portray violent people in the military as right wing religious neo-Nazis.

The other point of the article; which I believe is also strongly supported by evidence, is that the Times and other MSM outlets use a sweeping brush to apply to the whole military which is unfair and untrue. Underreporting stories that show the good honest intentions of those who serve, virtually ignoring any successes and apply false moral equivalents does nothing but try to evoke an emotional response that is negative toward the military.

I go back to the NY Times article in question. Accused G.I. Was Troubled Long Before Iraq.

I expected the guy to have been in jail for some major crimes or something that would have been this huge red flag on an arrest record that some idiot clearly missed. Anything that would show a blatant disregard for Military recruiting standards; something. But no. Instead the Times reports three misdemeanor charges that include underage possession of alcohol, tobacco and drug paraphernalia as his "troubled" past. Then they interview former classmates and throw out his mothers drunk driving conviction to emphasize a point that isn't there in the first place.

This is a ridiculous stretch if the Times reporters think that this should have been some red flag. Not quite the expose I was looking for.

So what is the recruiter to do? The military has traditionally been a place to put troubled youth in the hope that they are set on the right path. I know many people myself (having come from a troubled past) that did just that and the military saved them.

The Times has gone to an extreme in this particular article to stretch this moral equivalence as if anyone should expect that the military did anything different than any other employer when considering the seriousness of underage tobacco or alcohol. Same with interviewing former schoolmates and the neighbor lady or whoever. Should the military have gone to the guys neighborhood and proceed with a house to house interview of the neighbors to get some character assessment?

The article reeks of an obvious attempt to throw mud at the military. This is just one mans opinion.

I have however learned that focus is very important and my inclusion of "liberals" did indeed distract from the point. Hence I have learned something here and will write better next time.

Have a good weekend everyone!

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#6.7 - Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:10 AM EDT
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{"commentId":206333,"authorDomain":"webloggin"}

May I point out the latest AP article that popped up on the Vine? All in all the article is much the same except the editorial bias is against the United States (of course).

The United States considers Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist groups.

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/07/14/288296-analysis-bush-has-limited-mideast-options

The United States considers Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist groups?? Ahem, try most of the civilized world.

For example, Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Israel, and the United States, and is banned in Jordan.

Hezbollah has been labeled a terrorist organization by the United States, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Canada, Israel, Australia and other EU countries. - Wikipedia

This is a perfect example of why I have such disdain for the empty heads that report the news in such a manner. Nuff said.

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Reply#7 - Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:40 PM EDT
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